Building Inmillennialism

by Mike Rogers

[Aug. 6, 2018 note: Some language in this post shows the status of the overall blog at the time of writing. A downloadable PDF—A Summary of Inmillennialism—now provides a full overview. Still, this post contains material not found in the Summary.]

 

Warning! This page plays the role of spoiler. It reveals the ultimate design of our prophetic model. Our construction to this point has been a step-by-step, Scripture-by-Scripture process. This post allows us to see the final structure.

So, you have a choice. If you want to look through the fence and follow our construction project without knowing how the finished building will appear, please leave this page now. However, if you are like a certain voracious reader (to change metaphors) whom I know and love, stay right here. She often reads the end of a book before turning all its pages. I think she will appreciate this post and perhaps you will, too.

A simple reason exists for this spoiler: readers have asked questions difficult to answer without it. I do not want to respond to these inquiries with a repeated “please wait until we reach that point” kind of answer. By providing the complete model, I can make a brief response to such questions by referencing elements of the model, even though we have not yet derived them from Scripture. The promise of eventual justification for these elements will continue unabated.

To contribute to the spoiler effect, we now reveal the name of the prophetic model: inmillennialism.

Why another “-ism” in the realm of prophecy? We have listed several reasons in previous posts, including here and here. In addition, we observe that writers sometimes make frank admissions regarding the inadequacies of the existing models. Henry Alford did this in his commentary on Matthew’s gospel:

I thought it proper to state . . . that I did not feel by any means that full confidence which I once did in the exegesis, [with respect to] prophetical interpretation, here given. . . . But I had no other system to substitute, and some of the points here dwelt on seem to me as weighty as ever.1

Another writer said the church today faces “eschatological confusion running rampant.”2 Expressions of frustration like these provide challenge, excitement, and urgency to the task before us. We are excited, therefore, to present inmillennialism as a potential improvement to the existing systems.

This post has two objectives: to explain the name “inmillennialism” and to summarize its teachings.

The Inmillennial Name

Our model needed a name. To this point, we have referred to “the model,” “our framework,” or some other name of this sort. We needed a nice, descriptive word to describe our subject.

What does one do when no suitable name is available? Invent one, of course! In our case, the invention does not require a tremendous amount of creativity.

We wanted a name for our model that identifies it with the other systems, but also one that draws attention to its unique characteristics.

Regarding unity, we note that the name of each of the other systems contains a form of the word “millennium.” This word represents the “thousand years” reign of Christ in Revelation 20. It seems natural to include this term in our name to show our desire to identify with the other alternatives.

Another naming convention allowed us to further connect our model to the other systems. They each use a Latin preposition to convey their uniqueness. “Pre” means “before,” hence in premillennialism, Christ comes before the millennium. “Post” means “after,” so a major tenet of postmillennialism is that the second coming of Christ occurs after the millennium. That “a” stands for “no” reminds us that amillennialism denies a literal millennium.

We used a Latin prefix in our model as well to reflect its uniqueness. This prophetic framework emphasizes that we are in Christ’s parousia (presence) and that his presence will continue with the church throughout the Messianic age. The Latin preposition “in” captures this orientation well. In carries the same basic meaning as the English word “in.” We now live “in” the millennial reign of Christ. We sing in celebration of this; the name of our model should commemorate it, too.

Based on the above reasoning, we chose inmillennialism as the name of our prophetic model. It continues the two traditions above. The word “millennium” stands at the core of the name and the Latin preposition in marks one of its leading features.

Let’s continue our discovery of inmillennialism and how it reflects our present life under Christ’s rule in his millennial kingdom.

The Inmillennial Model

Here is the foundational structure of inmillennialism:

We have seen preludes to this basic structure in previous posts: He Must Reign; Hooray for Big Government; The Parousia of Christ and the Destruction of the Temple; The Abomination of Desolation; The Great Tribulation: a Sign of the Temple’s Destruction; and A Parting of the Ways—Part 1. Each diagram in these posts contributes to the overall model shown above.

Most elements in this framework come from two lengthy New Testament prophetic passages: the Olivet Discourse (Matthew 24–25; Mark 13; and Luke 21:5–38) and 1 Corinthians 15. The “kingdom transfer” element comes from words Jesus spoke to the Jewish leaders a few hours before he gave the Olivet Discourse to his disciples (Matthew 21:43).3 We will soon find additional details in other passages. These elements will conform with ease to this basic structure.

In a previous post, we listed four questions that Determine Your Prophetic View. We noted that none of the current prophetic systems satisfies one set of answers to these questions. Inmillennialism provides that option. Here are its answers to the four questions:

Q. 1. What does this model teach about Israel after the flesh (1 Corinthians 10:18)?

A. This model teaches Israel and the church are not distinct covenant entities remaining forever separate. During the “last days” of the Mosaic age, God made explicit what had existed from the beginning. Two Israel’s—Israel after the flesh (1 Corinthians 10:18) and, within it, Israel after the Spirit (Romans 9:6–8)—had existed since the days of Moses. The external rites and ceremonies that defined the former passed away when the Temple collapsed. The faith of Abraham had always defined the latter (Romans 4:16), and that fact did not change with the arrival of the Messianic kingdom. Now, the “Israel of God” possesses true circumcision (Romans 2:29) and has inherited all Abraham’s promises (2 Corinthians 1:20).

Q. 2. What does this model teach about the thousand-year reign of Christ as described in Revelation 20:2–7?

A. The millennial reign of Christ in Revelation 20 does not refer to a literal 1000 year period. The Scriptures use this number to symbolize a large number of items. God says, for example, “Every beast of the forest is mine, and the cattle upon a thousand hills” (Psalm 50:10; emphasis added). This is obviously figurative language: all cattle on all hills—an undetermined number of hills—are his. That Revelation is a book of symbols suggests John is using “thousand” in this manner. He said the angel “laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years” (Revelation 20:2; emphasis added). In this prophetic language, a “thousand years” signifies a large number of years. Satan is bound for all the years—an undetermined number of years—of the Messianic age.

Q. 3. What does this model teach about the Second Coming of Christ in relation to the millennium?

A. Christ returns—to judge Israel after the flesh and destroy the Temple—to complete the initiation of the (non-literal) millennium (Matthew 16:28; 24:1–3, 34). To speak with technical precision, this is a “premillennial” location for the coming (erchomai) of Christ. A major feature of our model is its consistent use of parousia (presence) as a concept distinct from erchomai (coming). Some dispensational writers do this but place the parousia in our future. The three other existing prophetic systems consider the two terms—erchomai and parousia—as almost synonymous.

Q. 4. What does this model teach about the kingdom of God in history?

A. Our model is optimistic. The kingdom of God will overcome all its enemies in history. It will become the dominant force in the culture of all nations. See Psalm 2:8; 22:8; 110:1; Isaiah 2:2; 9:7; 1 Corinthians 15:25; and many others.

How do these answers compare to those of the existing systems? Readers can compare them to those provided by the existing systems at the following pages: amillennialism, postmillennialism, historic premillennialism, and dispensational premillennialism. A side-by-side arrangement of diagrams of each of the models (here) allows easy comparison.

The chart below summarizes the basic differences between inmillennialism and the existing models of prophetic interpretation. Perhaps we should again emphasize inmillennialism’s answer to question 3. This model accounts for elements of “the 2nd coming”—as understood by the other systems—in two events: Jesus’ “coming” (erchomai) in judgment to destroy the Temple in AD 70 and his “presence” (parousia) with his church during the millennium (or Messianic age). The “coming” occurred at the beginning of the (non-literal) millennium, making inmillennialism premillennial in at least one sense. Christ will overcome all his enemies during his “presence” with his church in the Messianic (or kingdom) age. He will destroy death, the final enemy, in the bodily resurrection at the end of the parousia. Christ will then deliver the triumphant kingdom to the Father (1 Corinthians 15:20–28). The general judgment follows, then the eternal state.

Conclusion

This model meets the objectives we listed in previous posts. It improves our apologetic position by explaining how Jesus returned within the lifetime of some who heard Jesus speak (Matthew 16:27–28; 24:34).

The church finds encouragement for evangelism because this framework shows God means to grant it success in its endeavor. He has already done so in a remarkable manner. Our Lord’s reign has enabled his church to spread the gospel across the world. From a small beginning, the kingdom has reached almost every corner of the globe. And here you are, 1,947 years later, reading about the greatness of our Lord here on this blog. Our model shows kingdom growth (cp. here) continuing until the knowledge of the Lord covers the earth (Isaiah 11:9; Habakkuk 2:14).

The derivation of this model is explicit, coming (for the most part) from an exposition of two important passages of Scripture. We are not left to question how our system of prophetic understanding came into being.

This model puts every element of our lives in a kingdom context. Our marriages, families, daily work, politics, economics, art, and every other area of life find meaning in Christ’s kingdom reign. We can pray as Jesus taught us to pray—“Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven” (Matthew 6:10)—believing by faith that God will answer our request.

Footnotes

  1. Henry Alford, Alford’s Greek Testament: An Exegetical and Critical Commentary (Grand Rapids: Baker, 1980), 1:257; emphasis added.
  2. Robert L. Reymond, A New Systematic Theology of the Christian Faith (Nashville: Thomas Nelson, 1998), 986.
  3. A. T. Robertson, A Harmony of the Gospels for Students of the Life of Christ (New York: Harper, 1922), 160.

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20 comments

Laura March 16, 2017 - 5:58 am

Best one yet! It’s coming into focus. Excellent diagram and very useful chart.

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Mike Rogers March 16, 2017 - 8:17 am

Thank you for the kind and encouraging comment! Your feedback is a blessing.

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Elisabeth March 23, 2017 - 2:06 pm

Well-written article and fascinating view of prophecy. Great how this view explains well the words of Jesus that there would be some hearing him who would see his return.

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Mike Rogers March 23, 2017 - 11:27 pm

Thank you for you kind comment!

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Andrew Martin July 18, 2018 - 7:20 pm

I agree with and love most of your points in inmil, however, I disagree with the timing of the “eternal state” and resurrection as you are stating it.

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Mike Rogers July 18, 2018 - 8:21 pm

Thank you for the comment! Would you be willing to elaborate on your views? If you have a blog or other writings, please point me to them. I would enjoy knowing your thoughts on these topics.

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Andrew Martin July 19, 2018 - 9:51 am

Mike,

Love you dear brother in Christ. You have taught me so much. I don’t have my own website or blog but I do blog about these matters on Christianchat.Com.

Yes, I can elaborate. I believe Rev 20 teaches us clearly that beheaded, dead, saints are living and reigning with Christ during our present day Millennium. Since Christ is in heaven with his throne reigning over his footstool with dead saints then they have been resurrected which happened circa 70AD.

A huge change happened back then. The garden curse ended. No longer do righteous souls go to hades, instead they immediately go to heaven. In other words, Paul said our flesh bodies are tents covering our spiritual bodies. Thus when we die today, we are immediately in heaven with our resurrected bodies. This is the eternal state. It’s the spiritual realm which we we enter upon death, see Heb 9: 26-27. Earth abides forever as we are taught in Ecclesiastes. Anyway, have to run. Let’s dialogue. You are nailing this but I think I can help us get all the way home.

Andy

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Mike Rogers July 19, 2018 - 9:58 am

Andy,

Thank you for the additional details. I welcome the opportunity to discuss these matters. It is a rare treat!

Let me ask for further clarification. Do you understand Christ’s millennium reign of Revelation 20 to be the same as his kingdom reign of 1 Corinthians 15? I’m thinking of passages like “they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years” (Rev 20:4) and “For he must reign” (1 Cor 15:25).

Let me state the reason for this question. I think these passages refer to the same reign of Christ. They are, to use your words, “our present day Millennium.” John and Paul both show two resurrections, one at either end of the reign of Christ. The design my question is to learn what you believe about the second resurrection.

I agree: “A huge change happened back then. The garden curse ended. No longer do righteous souls go to hades, instead they immediately go to heaven. In other words, Paul said our flesh bodies are tents covering our spiritual bodies. Thus when we die today, we are immediately in heaven. . . .” I’m uncertain regarding why you add “with our resurrected bodies” since Paul places the bodily resurrection at the end of the kingdom age.

That leads to a question about your meaning of the words “eternal state.” I take them to mean the state of affairs after God had delivered his creation—including the physical earth—from all effects of sin. If I understand your words, you take them to represent the present state of departed saints.

I’ve given my understanding of the “huge change [that] happened back then” in my posts. Here are some selected paragraphs from A Delayed Millennium? — Part 3:

Paul’s scheme in 1 Cor. 15 matches Revelation 20 to a remarkable degree. A “first resurrection” occurred at the start of the kingdom age. Christ now reigns in his kingdom. The souls of Christians go to be with him after physical death. A “second resurrection” will occur in our future, at the end of the kingdom age.

This resurrection sequence permeates the New Testament. As we have seen, Paul’s non-figurative account in 1 Cor 15 confirms this perspective. In another place, Paul says, “we should not trust in ourselves, but in God which raiseth [lit., “who is raising”] the dead.” He uses three tenses to describe this resurrection-work. In the past, God “delivered us from so great a death” by the resurrection of Christ. In the present, he “doth deliver” through individual resurrection. In the future, “he will yet deliver us” in the bodily resurrection at the end of the Messianic Age (2 Cor 1:9–10). . . .

This is the resurrection—millennium—resurrection sequence of John 4–5 and Revelation 20. The first resurrection is not an event in our future that starts the millennium. It is the resurrection of Christ that occurred at the start of the kingdom age. Our individual spiritual resurrections flow from it. . . .

The millennium in Rev 20 is a present, ongoing, and glorious reality. It is the age of resurrection.
To summarize, I will appreciate knowing how you view the millennium vis-à-vis the kingdom age. And, I’m curious about your understanding of the second resurrection that occurs at the end of those ages.

Again, I consider this discussion a great blessing. You have encouraged me in the Lord.

Yours in Christ,
Mike

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Anna April 1, 2019 - 12:50 am

Based on your beliefs the work is excellent. However, a few points to consider that would challenge the foundation on which you have built this model. Lk 17:18-24 ‘My kingdom does not come with your observance; it is WITHIN YOU.’ The dichotomy of flesh versus spirit, seen versus unseen, external versus internal, temporal versus eternal is the foundational polarity and continuity of the scriptures. Two trees; two seeds; two mountains; two women; two cities. One earthly (flesh/seen/temporal/external) and one heavenly (spirit/unseen/eternal/internal.) This polarity is on every page of the bible.

God created in his image: both poles of polarity: “+” and “-” and they were ONE. One cannot exist without the other as it takes both poles to empower, create or light up anything. No positive can exist without negative; no good without evil; no life without death, etc. as that IS God’s image. Is 45:7. God put “+” in a deep sleep and removed “-” from him. The universe functions exactly as the Creator designed it to work and he said everything he created was GOOD. Both positive and negative work together for the good of them that love the Lord.
When Adam sinned he was ‘cast out’ of his father’s PRESENCE. He no longer had a relationship with him and his conscience condemned him. He was ‘dead’ and needed to be ‘raised up’ again to the former POSITION that he held in the beginning. Now he could not enter his father’s presence unless he was summoned. God summoned a few 3rd party mediators such as priests to offer sacrifices and prophets to relay god’s messages to the alienated party (mankind) and he chose Israel to sit as a QUEEN at the right hand of power positionally to mediate/intercede for her people. (The Hebrew assigns gender to all persons, places and things.)

Jesus came to restore/reconcile the two alienated parties and he ‘raised mankind up with him’ to the former position that Adam held. No longer do we need 3rd party mediators, priests, prophets, Fathers, Rabbis, Teachers, Reverends, Bishops, etc. for we all have the same free access to our father, anytime, anywhere, and can commune with him ‘face to face’ without a mediator. ‘Face to face’ is a Hebrew idiom meaning ‘directly’ without a 3rd party mediating between the two alienated parties. We have been reconciled to our father. Jesus forbid spiritual authorities 2000 years ago. Matt 23:8-10. Those who have been reconciled to their father commune with him face to face and have the same TEACHER the disciples had. 2 Cor 3:17.

Four times in the book of John, Jesus repeats 4 times that he would ‘raise them up’ and immediately following the 4th he quotes from the Torah: ‘They will all be taught by God.’

The 144,000 firstfruits were the Virgin Bride of Christ. They shed their blood as proof of their faithfulness/virginity. They had to ‘fill up the measure of Christ’s suffering; endure until the ‘telos’ (goal of all previous ages which the KJV rendered ‘end’) and be martyred for the faith to be judged worthy to rule and reign with Christ judging the 12 tribes of Israel. The marriage/wedding/throne motif is a simplified way of explaining the reconciliation of mankind to their father again. The firstfruits of the fall harvest were offered and declared HOLY and by doing so the ‘whole lump was HOLY to the LORD.’ They fulfilled the Law of Firstfruits thereby judging their fellowman.
“No longer will they say, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they will all know me from the least to the greatest.” Jer 31;34; fulfilled Heb 8:11.

It’s impossible to have any future QUEEN ruling since the judgment because mediators are no longer necessary and that was HER purpose. We have been reconciled to our father. And that was the message Paul taught: 2 Cor 15: 18-24. It was taking place in the first century but had not been completed until all the old 3rd party mediators, temple cultus and ceremonial worship ended.

Jesus is the resurrection. ‘I am the resurrection’ was his response to Lazarus’ sister when she said, ‘I know that he shall rise in the resurrection.’ Physical things were types and shadows, not the substance. ‘The flesh counts for nothing; it is the spirit that gives life.’ Jn 6:63. It was through the eternal spirit that we were reconciled to our father as human sacrifice is an abomination to him. ‘It never entered my mind.’ Heb 9:14.

The Bride of Christ (the QUEEN sitting at the right hand of her KING) was the first resurrection. Only those ‘who did not sin as Adam did and remained faithful unto death were worthy to be a part of the 1st resurrection. They cannot be ‘cast out.’ The Jewish wedding explains this. The engaged bride would remain at her home and keep a light burning in the window because she did not know the day or hour that her beloved would return and ‘snatch her up’ and take her to his father’s house where he had prepared a place for her. After the marriage was consumated, her parents would take the linen on which was proof of her virginity to the high priest as surety that the Groom could never put her away. The law permitted a man who was displeased with his wife or if she was not a virgin to divorce her but did not allow him to remarry her. It did; however, allow him to marry a virgin from his own people. That is why Christ could not remarry old covenant Israel as she was unfaithful; but he did marry a virgin from his own people. Anyone of any nationality could attach themselves to a tribe and be considered a member of that tribe. The nation of Israel was a ‘mixed multitude’ when they returned from Egypt and God does not show partiality. Anyone could become a ‘Jew’ (they were called by this name when returning from Babylon and it applied to all Israelites and other nationalities) as many converted and obeyed the laws of Moses. Such were the Persians during Queen Esther’s reign, King Izates the Arab king and his mother Helen; the Edomites during the Hasmoneon dynasty, etc. Synagogues were in every city of the Roman Empire and the laws of Moses had been taught in all the empire.

The ‘last days’ were of the old covenant age. The universe functions exactly as God created it and he said all he created was Good so he is not going to destroy it.

Thanks for letting me post and God Bless,

May his FACE shine upon you…

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Mike Rogers April 2, 2019 - 12:22 am

Thank you for these comments. They show you have spent much time in God’s word.

I find much with which to agree here, like ‘My kingdom does not come with your observance; it is WITHIN YOU.’ I think a better translation of the last part is “the kingdom of God is in your midst.” Still, the kingdom’s coming was non-visible in one sense.

I also appreciate your observation about the dualities that permeate the Scriptures. I will deal with one in this week’s post—the parable of the two sons (Matt 21).

I am having difficulty identifying the fundamental ways your points challenge inmillennialism. Please be so kind as to isolate two or three of the most important challenges in bullet-point statements. I apologize for having to make this request, but I want to make sure I understand you before responding further.

In Christ,
Mike

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Anna April 1, 2019 - 1:03 am

Forgot to post scripture concerning those who did ‘not sin as Adam did.’
Romans 5:14 but the death did reign from Adam till Moses, even upon those not having sinned in the likeness of Adam’s transgression, who is a type of him who is coming. YLT (Young’s Literal Translation)

Those did not INTENTIONALLY sin as no sacrifice was ever offered for that kind of sin. Only unintentional sin. One who accidentally killed another could flee to the city of refuge but one who murdered intentionally was to be killed.

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Claro Salazar Del Rosario August 5, 2020 - 12:45 pm

Hi Mike,

My view of the “first resurrection” considers the context of Revelation 20:4-5. The first resurrection is exclusive to the “souls” of the martyred Christians. They do not involve the saints who are not martyrs but nonetheless lived a Christian life. Examples: the repentant thief on the cross, Mary Magdalene, Lazarus, Mary, Martha, and others who are in a blissful state in heaven or in “Abraham’s bosom”. They have passive roles in heaven. They will be physically resurrected at Christ’s second coming, in the General Resurrection of all the dead to be with him in his everlasting kingdom in the eternal state.

The martyred souls in heaven will rule the Church with Christ in heaven at the start of the millennial reign. I imagine them as the Christians who were killed during the time Christians are persecuted by the unbelieving Jews and the pagan Romans. They are given special role in Christ’s spiritual kingdom (Church) as a special reward for their martyrdom.

The idea that they are the regenerated souls of living Christians during Christ’s millennial reign over his Church does not fit with the description of the souls who were martyred in Rev. 20:4-5.

May I know what you think about my suggestion.

Best Regards,

Claro Del Rosario

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Mike Rogers August 8, 2020 - 10:14 am

Hi Claro,

Thank you for your comment! I am familiar with some of the ways premillennialists treat the first resurrection in Rev 20. You do a good job of summarizing one of those interpretations. My issue with such approaches is the vast number of assumptions built into the premillennial framework that require such approaches.

The most glaring assumption is that the millennial kingdom starts in the future from our vantage point. It was certainly in the future from the apostles’ perspective, but this does not mean it is in our future! Explicit statements tell us it is not. For example, Jesus said, “The Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works. Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom” (Matt 16:27–28). Either Jesus came in his kingdom before some who heard him died or he is a false prophet, as many atheists claim. But Jesus did come just as he promised: he destroyed the temple and ended the Mosaic age in his generation (cp. Matt 24:34). These events fully established Jesus’ messianic-age kingdom.

This scriptural view of the kingdom means God established it in the days of the Roman emperors just as he promised in Dan 2:44; that kingdom is a reality in the present messianic age. Jesus is now sitting on his throne until all his enemies are made his footstool. He will defeat the last enemy, death, in the resurrection at the end of his present reign (1 Cor 15:25–26).

The first resurrection comprised all the events necessary to end the Mosaic age and establish the messianic age: Christ’s earthly ministry, death, burial, resurrection, ascension, and enthronement (cp. Dan 7:13–14); Pentecost; the giving of the NT Scriptures; the great tribulation; and, finally, the fall of the temple. On those that have a part in those events—by faith in Jesus Christ—the second death has no power. Indeed, believers “are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead” (Col 2:12); God has “raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus” (Eph 2:6). This is the first resurrection.

The idea that the first resurrection is limited to those who have died for the faith is problematic. The definition of this resurrection I have just given would, of course, exclude it. In addition, this approach requires that only those “beheaded for the testimony of Jesus” reign with Christ. This interpretation would exclude those who were drowned, sawn asunder, fed to wild beasts, etc. May it never be!

These problems show this is not the Spirit’s meaning! The ESV shows that John is describing more than just those beheaded: “I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands” (Rev 20:4). So, all those who were loyal to Christ during the first-century tribulation now live and reign with him in his present messianic-age kingdom.

To fully appreciate the points I am making, you will need to understand the inmillennial prophetic framework. I have shown how it comes from a straightforward exegesis of the Olivet Discourse and 1 Corinthians 15 in my book, Inmillennialism: Redefining the Last Days, available here. If you do not wish to buy the book, I suggest you download the free PDF here.

I look forward to continuing our discussion.

Blessings in Christ,
Mike

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Mike Rogers August 8, 2020 - 11:52 am

Hi Claro!

I think I owe you an apology. After reading your question of Aug. 6, I suspect that you are not a traditional premillennialist—am I right? That question seems to indicate you agree with the basic outlines of inmillennialism. So, please read my previous response knowing that I was thinking you held to the premillennial view. With that in mind, I think the only thing that we understand differently is who participated in the first resurrection. I will look forward to your further thoughts.

Please forgive my misunderstanding of your position.

Mike

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Anna March 30, 2021 - 9:47 am

Everything this author advocates is completely undone by his lack of proper exegesis. I’m no scholar or educated person; I simply asked my heavenly father as he instructed us to do, for wisdom and understanding. The bible is about the dichotomy of flesh versus spirit. Old versus new. Seen versus unseen. Temporal versus eternal. External versus internal. This is on every page of God’s word. Jesus said he had finished his work. Either he has or he was a liar. Jn 17:3Now this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only TRUE God, and Jesus Christ, whom You have sent. 4I have glorified You on earth by accomplishing the work You gave Me to do.…

2 Cor 4:18 18So we fix our eyes not on what is seen, but on what is unseen. For what is seen is temporary, but what is unseen is eternal.

What ‘death’ did Adam experience the day he followed his flesh and stopped listening to his father (spirit?) What death did Jesus come to destroy?
1 Corinthians 15:26
The last enemy to be destroyed is death. This death is Adamic death, or spiritual death, alienation from one’s father, which Adam experienced the same day he was cast out of his father’s PRESENCE. That stigma pronounced all born after Adam and Eve as ‘dead’ spiritually. Alienated from their father and could not approach him without being summoned. But our father, in his great mercy, provided the means of communication through MESSENGERS (priests, prophets, angels, 3rd party mediators.) That is, until Jesus came and destroyed death and restored our relationship with our father via the spirit. Mankind was ‘raised up’ with Christ to new life, being born again from above and communing DIRECTLY with the father without a 3rd party mediators or messenger. The New Covenant is not subject to MESSSENGERS. HEb 2:5. We can blame the KJV rendered in the 15th century for this blatant error. The old covenant was not subject to ‘angels’ but to a MESSENGER, MOSES. A third party mediator. The new is not subject to the same, as god himself restored mankind to the former POSITION that Adam had and communes DIRECTLY with each of us without 3rd parties. In fact, Jesus forbid his disciples from elevating anyone to a position of authority over them as they all had the same TEACHER and all have the same rights as ‘sons’ to approach his father. (note* Hebrew assigns gender to all persons, places and things, therefore ‘sons’ is not male gender but offspring of the father who is spirit. Sons refers to the POSITION they hold.)

‘No longer will they say, ‘Know the Lord, ‘ for they will all know me from the least to the greatest.’ Jer 31:34; Heb 8:11

Jesus said HE was the resurrection. Physical things were types and shadows of the substance that was apprearing in the first century and was not fully operational until all the old covenant types and shadows and elements of worship (temple, city and ceremonial worship) were destroyed by fire, along with Christ’s ENEMIES. Who were they? If the last enemy for him to destroy is death and those administering the ‘ministry of death’ in the temple, it would be those who administered the law. Isaiah 66:6. It’s god’s hand that directed man to number this passsage with the number of the ‘beast’ kingdom that was opposed to god. The law kills; the spirit gives life. By destroying the old covenant with it’s laws (law condemns everyone to death), death has been destroyed.

For example of how the law kills: it forbid the cutting of the flesh on penalty of death. Yet circumcision was the cutting of the flesh. God left no means for man to claim he was righteous by the law. The law forbid making of images of things in heaven, earth and sea, yet the temple is a stone/wooden idol/image of things in heaven, earth and sea. The only means EVER for man to be restored to his position as a son in good fellowship with his father was by god himself. He has completed that work and rested. Those who have entered his rest have ceased from theirs also. Heb 4:10.

Positive cannot exist without negative. No life without death; no good without evil; no protons without electrons, as proven by god’s creation in an atom. God created in his image: both poles of polarity, “+” and “-” made he them and they were ONE. This is god’s eternal attributes and it takes both to empower, create or light up anything, as seen in a battery. This will never end and those who tell you that they will deny truth. What ended was old covenant death with its sorrow and tears, its woes, its curses, its pain of suffering in Gehenna where the law demanded one be thrown for breaking it and from which their was no return.

Those who go back to the flesh are carnal-minded and cannot discern spiritual things.

Have you called upon the father in his NEW NAME? Be reconciled to him in the new name of Yeshua/Jesus/Iseous.

May his FACE shine upon you.

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Mike Rogers April 12, 2021 - 6:55 pm

Anna,

I confess my inability to compose a coherent reply. Sorry.

Mike

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Ludovic Stephan MAYILA October 17, 2021 - 2:00 pm

Considering the inmillennialism view, how and when will this passage come to pass?

Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven. Acts 1:11 KJV

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Mike Rogers October 17, 2021 - 8:35 pm

Thank you for this good question! Please read the post I wrote on this verse: A Visible Return?. You may also want to read, A Review of “The Hyper-Preterism Debate” by Keith A. Mathison.

Please leave another comment if you have more questions.

Yours in Christ,
Mike

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Michael March 14, 2024 - 6:52 am

Please contrast this with your thoughts on Preterism.

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Mike Rogers April 20, 2024 - 1:51 pm

Michael,

Please provide more context for your request. Are you asking me to contrast inmillennialism with my understanding of full or hyper-preterism?

Thanks,
Mike

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